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Titre: subjonctif
Posté par: mamour le 09 Oct 2008 08:19
Hi Thomas!!!! is there a Subjonctif mode in English?
Je ne veux pas que vous manquiez la difference? :-\
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: John Doe le 09 Oct 2008 16:06
Answer? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive_mood)
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Thomas le 09 Oct 2008 22:40
Yes, in fact, there is a subjunctive! Unfortunately, it was not used very well. One of the most common examples is "I wish that I were..." -- normally, we say "I was", of course -- and it is used for similar reasons as in French, but the actual cases where you use it are different (sometimes -- some of them are the same).

I do plan on discussing it in several lessons some day, but if you have any specific questions in the meantime feel free to ask. Also, I read through that Wikipedia article (thanks John Doe :D ), it's pretty good at showing many of the different forms. In reality, many Americans do not use the subjunctive much, or use it incorrectly when they do :'(
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: mamour le 13 Oct 2008 11:02
thanks for your explanation!!!even if the john doe's explanation is a little bit complicated for my mind!!! :D
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: John Doe le 13 Oct 2008 17:58
It's not me, it's wikipedia! :D
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Joëlle le 14 Oct 2008 09:18
Can I say ? : If I were you.... Si j'étais à ta place ou traduit littéralement "si j'étais toi"
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: John Doe le 14 Oct 2008 13:46
C'est un peu la même chose non? :D
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Joëlle le 14 Oct 2008 22:00
ah bon ? ;)
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Thomas le 15 Oct 2008 23:55
If I were you, that's a perfect example.

Here's the difference between "If I were you" and "Si j'étais à ta place", though:

English Past tense   English Subjunctive   French Past tense   French subjunctive
I wasI were*J'étaisJe sois
You wereYou wereTu étaisTu sois
He/She wasHe/She were*Il/Elle étaitIl/Elle soit
We wereWe wereNouse étionsNous soyons
Vous étiezVous soyez
They wereThey wereIls/Elles étaientIls/Elles soient

*notable differences between English past tense and subjunctive

Looking at the two languages, comparing the two conjugations, in French, it's super easy to tell if a verb is in imparfait or subjonctif. In English, because there are fewer conjugations for each verb, there are several overlaps between tenses, and this is one of them.

The "if + [hypothetical situation]" phrase takes a different mood in the two languages. In French, it takes the imparfait de l'indicatif. In English, it takes the present subjunctive. It's an interesting difference between the two languages ("interesting" at least if you enjoy grammar ;) ), and one worth noticing.
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: John Doe le 16 Oct 2008 17:09
Thx for the explanation  :)
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Joëlle le 17 Oct 2008 08:42
Thank you Thomas for the comparaison of the tenses between French and English. It was very clear and useful for comprehension. And thanks a lot for the podcast " Expression 8". Have a nice day. Hope my encouragement will make your day... do you see what a mean ? ;)
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: mamour le 17 Oct 2008 17:17
thank you for your explanation  :D
Titre: Re : subjonctif
Posté par: Thomas le 20 Oct 2008 00:05
Haha, good one Joelle ;)